The Ascent towards Pascha

-theophilus- · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 562

I'd like to know fellow-posters' views and beliefs on the following question(s):

What did Christ accomplish on the Cross? (And how was this accomplished?)

Sacrifice? Symobolic death? Ransom? Who was the ransom paid to?

A Lentern Prayer:

O Lord and Master of my life,
give me not a spirit of sloth,
despondency, lust for power
and idle talk,

[PROSTRATION]

But give to me, Thy servant,
a spirit of chastity, humility,
patience and love.

[PROSTRATION]

O Lord and King,
grant me to see my own faults
and not to condemn my brother:
for blessed art Thou
to the ages of ages.
Amen.

[PROSTRATION]
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Sisyphus · Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:29 am Post subject:

And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Mark 16:6 (KJV)

Don't be too disappointed Theo, I'm sure someone will post something you can argue with..... Icon_0204

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-theophilus- · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 562

Hi Sis,

http://keepingthefaith.forumwise.com/keepingthefaith-post-20450.html#20450
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Sisyphus · Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:30 am Post subject:

Touché ...... Icon_chuckle

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-theophilus- · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 562

I added a poll.
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Covenanter · Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 1446

It was a covenant sacrifice, paid by Jesus as man, in man & for man to his Father God, for the redemption of man.
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Nancy · Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 1095 Location: Illinois, U.S.A.

But....Jesus is God, so why does God have to die for God?
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-theophilus- · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 562

A good question Nancy. And why did the Father demand the death of His Son?
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Nancy · Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 1095 Location: Illinois, U.S.A.

Do you really think it was a demand?
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-theophilus- · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 562

No, I don't personally believe this
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He was a willing sacrifice.

-theophilus- · Joined: 24 Sep 2006 Posts: 562

A willing sacrifice to who?
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Covenanter · Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 1446

God had an enormous problem. He made man in his image so that he could enjoy fellowship & lavish his love on his people. Adam sinned, & mankind was lost in sin.

God is perfect love, yet loving sinners indicated imperfection in that love. Simple forgiveness was not an option - forgiveness does not make man righteous. Mercy does not change hearts - if God in mercy welcomed forgiven sinners into heaven, then heaven would be spoiled. God's absolute righteousness would be corrupted by his indulgence of sinners.

His wisdom is seen in the whole scheme of redemption. He ordained death as the punishment for sin, so that by the death & resurrection of the Surety as man & for man he could redeem man.

The is Covenant Theology. The essence of a covenant is that by obedience of an subject to the ruler he will live in peace. Covenants are sealed by a shared meal. Rebellion ends the covenant. The covenant with Adam is seen in Gen. 2.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Man brought sin & death into the world. Adam was the surety for mankind & failed. A second Adam was needed.

The Old Covenant required obedience, and God in mercy provided a system of worship & sacrifices whereby sinners could approach God, only under cover of blood. Yet they died, for none was sinless.

In the fulness of time, God sent his Son into the world to redeem man by becoming man. As man & for man he lived under the Old Covenant. He kept the terms of the Old Covenant perfectly. As man & for man he suffered death taking the punishment that rightly falls on sinful man, taking our sins on himself. Because he was sinless, death could not hold him - he rose triumphant over the punishment for man's sin.

Immediately before he died, he instituted a New Covenant meal that involved neither death nor blood, yet was a remembrance of that one effective sacrifice.

Now all repentant sinners are no longer seen as sinners, but are fully credited with the righteousness of our Redeemer. IN CHRIST a holy God sees us as sinless, perfect, fit to enter heaven without bringing even a stain of sin into the dwelling place of God. Our filthy rags are transformed by the blood of Christ into spotless white robes.

Ps. 85:10 Mercy and truth have met together;
Righteousness and peace have kissed.
11 Truth shall spring out of the earth,
And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
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maria · Joined: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 527

Sisyphus.

That was good
He is risen!

Sisyphus · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: