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Sisyphus
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 Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: The Lords Day |
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Ok, so where do we get that Sunday is the Lords Day. Why Sunday, and why do some say the Lords Day is the Sabbath and others say Sunday?
It is said that Sunday is from the old pagan sun worship but in terms of language I know that Sunday is only used in languages such as German, Dutch, and English, whereas Latin-based languages, such as Spanish, Italian, and French use a derivative of the Latin word "Dominica," literally "Lord's Day." So the very notion of the first day of the week having something to do with sun worship depends on the language you speak.
I also know that in the New testament Sunday is always called "the first day of the week." (See Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2.). There is one exception to this ‘rule’ and that is Rev 1:10 where John says “I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, …..”
So, why do we as Christians say Sunday is the Lords Day?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Because it is a day set apart to worship and praise the Lord...six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work but the seventh is the ....
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Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
Exodus 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. |
this to me is as important today and it's something that is vanishing away. |
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Sisyphus
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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That's the Sabbath Anne. Sunday is the first day of the week, so the seventh day is Saturday.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I know but i'm not a Jew so I go by the Gentile calendar don't I?
Mon-Sat...work
Sunday... rest  |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Ah But, Do You rest Anne?
It Quite clearly says "Thou shalt not do any work"
I was [as a child] taught that Saturday was the day of The Lord, oi vey.
Sunday School taught us that was wrong. 
I have always known Sunday is the first day of the week, But cannot fathom out why we use it as the Sabbath.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| maybe it's because when I was young we did really have it for The Lords Day no reading of papers or comics the meetings all day |
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Sisyphus
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have read several reasons for the Lords Day being Sunday. One that Jesus rose on that day from the tomb. Another that the last supper was on Sunday, so Christians come together to "do this in remembrance of me" on a Sunday. Finally the Holy Spirit was given on Pentecost Acts 2:1, which always falls on a Sunday.
There are many reasons but I have not found what you might call a definitive answer, hence my original question.
And actually, the gentile calendar does start on Sunday... 
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of GOD; ETC ETC
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He hath particulary appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept Holy unto Him:Which, from the beginning of the World to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into th First day of the week,which, in scripture, is called the Lord's day,and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
Phew thats taken it out of me, Typing and Holding a big book at the same time [On my Lap tilted Backwards]
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Sisyphus
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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What book is that from Angel?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Sisyphus wrote: | | What book is that from Angel? |
The Westminster Confession #XXI
| Quote: | VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[37]
VIII. This Sabbath is to be kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their wordly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]
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No need to type, Angel - copy & paste.
Scripture proof:
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| Quote: | | [35] GEN 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 1CO 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. ACT 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. |
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Sisyphus
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that Cove..... That was written in 1646 according to the site you provided, but what about prior to that?
I have found information that Christians kept Sunday as the Lords day from AD 30-300 when it was taken up by the Roman Church.
The record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have always worshipped on the first day of the week (Sunday) and never on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's Supper (communion, break bread) Acts 20:7.
Augustine actually stated that Christians are bound to keep 9 of the ten Commandments [because the New Testament repeats and re-introduces them in a different form] but are free to break the Sabbath commandment.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Sisyphus wrote: | Thanks for that Cove..... That was written in 1646 according to the site you provided, but what about prior to that?
I have found information that Christians kept Sunday as the Lords day from AD 30-300 when it was taken up by the Roman Church.
The record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have always worshipped on the first day of the week (Sunday) and never on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's Supper (communion, break bread) Acts 20:7.
Augustine actually stated that Christians are bound to keep 9 of the ten Commandments [because the New Testament repeats and re-introduces them in a different form] but are free to break the Sabbath commandment. |
That introduces the Reformation "regulative principle" which states that ALL Old Covenant regulations, worship, etc, are cancelled by the New Covenant, except when restated in the New Covenant Scriptures. Now we follow the New Covenant order.
Do we break teh sabbath or is it redefined?
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Sisyphus
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We are free to break the Sabbath commandment because it is redefined, as you say.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Covenanter wrote: | | Sisyphus wrote: | | What book is that from Angel? |
The Westminster Confession #XXI
| Quote: | VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[37]
VIII. This Sabbath is to be kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their wordly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]
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No need to type, Angel - copy & paste.Scripture proof:
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| Quote: | | [35] GEN 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 1CO 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. ACT 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. |
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jtheb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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It would appear that the early church met on the first day of the week so we have their example.
I do not think it matters which day we "rest", I do think that one day should be a rest day and one for worship.
I'm not very good at doing it.
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