Holocaust Memorial Day 27. January

Talitha Tetelestai · Guest

Oh yes, I understand, and it is a great honour.

Just, if it's not eternally true, then I grieve for him.

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Camberwick Green · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject:

No TT you are right - We dont hate someone because they are German - But we detest what happened in the last war in Germany -

How they swalled up the lies and deceit I dont know
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Talitha Tetelestai · Guest

Me and H were discussing this the other night, and I said to him that to me it is not (please don't take this the wrong way - I am not condoning it - but I can see how it happens, particularly now as a Christian that I understand (a very little) the spiritual element behind it) so hard to see how a country and it's people can be manipulated to foster a hatred of a certain race.

That much, I can see how it happens.

What I cannot understand is how that hatred moves (in such a short period of time in a large percentage of a population, not all) to the desire to physically do something about it - then to the idea that you have the right to do something about it - then to actually doing something about it - then to actually deriving pleasure from it and the conscience being numbed - to (for those who opposed it) the turning of the head and pretending it was not happening.

That mystifies me, really it does.

I mcan only think there was some heavy spiritual (non Godly) influence pervading the atmosphere.

One comment I heard recently on a programme, said by Himmler in the past(my summary):

He was congratulating his troops that they managed to do what they did, with very few people shirking from the task, but through it all they managed to remain decent human beings.

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bobbyc · Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 1324

Sadly it's all too easy to target a specific minority group and demonise them in the eyes of the populace. If the aforementioned group is foreign then so much the better. We've seen it in Britain to some extent with the way that asylum seekers and migrant workers for example have been pilloried in certain sections of the press. The difference between modern Britain and 1930s Germany though is that our economy is not in ruins so the "pernicious foreigners" cannot be held to account for national economic decline and nor has a quasi official secret service rooting out the target group and its sympathisers been encouraged by an increasingly dictatorial government.

Sisyphus · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject:

It's an old ploy Bobby. Find a scapegoat to blame the nations ills on and you are home free.

In recent history, Maggie Thatcher was heading for a serious drubbing with the population, she had done one or two things that had not gone down well, and her time was limited. Then a group of Argentinians planted a flag and she was off and running. The falklands saved her bacon and gave her an extended life in Politics all because she suddenly had a foreign group to focus the nations antagonism against.
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bobbyc · Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 1324

I'm not disagreeing with you Sisyphus. Mugabe did the same thing in Zimbabwe when he encouraged his supporters to steal the farms off the white farmers, it happened in the Balkans with 'ethnic cleansing' and can be seen in the sectarian violence that is rife in Baghdad at the moment. There are some who would say that it could never happen here (we are too civilised, democratic, fairminded or whatever) but you won't find me singing from that hymnsheet.

Sisyphus · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject:

Oh I think it could happen here all too easily. There are too many areas in the UK at the moment that are a 'tinder box' just waiting for an unscrupulous politician or religious leader.
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bobbyc · Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 1324

We are finding ourselves in agreement an awful lot here Sisyphus. I hope it doesn't make for boring conversation! Icon_biggrin

Sisyphus · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject:

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Sisyphus · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject:

I meant that our scores were the same Cove when we both got 15 on the online test. That's all... Smile 2

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Sisyphus · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject:

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