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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject: Would you say these fears are justified??? Reply with quote

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=6664
An Appeal of Faith to President George W. Bush by Michael Freund. 02 November 2006


Dear Mr. President,

I am writing to you because I am afraid.

I have been closely following the rhetoric of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over the past few months, and I want you to know that I am gripped with a sense of fear.

I fear for the future of Israel and for that of the entire Jewish people, as the would-be Hitler of Persia readies to do battle against us with the most horrific of weapons.

I fear for the future of the West, because outside of Washington, few and far between are the leaders with the common sense and courage to stand up to the Tyrant of Teheran.

And I fear for the future of the world, because if Iran's fundamentalists get their hands on a nuclear weapon, it will only be a matter of time before their extremist allies abroad become similarly armed.

Hence, I am writing to you because I am convinced that you alone understand and appreciate the gravity of the current situation, and I pray in my heart that you will not let it stand.

I appeal to you now, not as a political analyst nor as a newspaper columnist, but as one man of faith to another: please strike Iran hard with military force, and dismantle their nuclear weapons program, before it is too late.

I know you believe, as I do, that G-d guides the destiny of men and of nations. And I know you believe, just as I do, that He raised you up to the helms of power precisely at this critical period, to serve as His agent and His instrument in this world.

The G-d of history has chosen you, Mr. President, just as He did Churchill, and He has entrusted you with a sacred mandate: to save the world from the designs of a madman.

I can tell you that in Israel, a sense of dread has slowly, but surely, begun to sink in. As the Sunday Times of London reported earlier this week, a growing number of my fellow Jews have begun to build underground nuclear shelters adjacent to their homes.

"The shelters," says the Times, "are built to withstand radioactive fallout, have fortified walls and doors and generate their own electricity and decontaminated air." Hundreds of such bunkers, reports the paper, have been built in recent months, and "demand is soaring".

Mr. President, just the other night, I went out with my family for dinner to a restaurant in Herzliya, the city named after Zionist visionary Theodor Herzl, who foresaw the need to establish a safe haven for the Jewish people. Our waitress was an attractive and cheerful young lady who moved to Israel 16 years ago, at the age of four, from her native Lithuania, where her family had suffered anti-Semitism and persecution.

But when we asked her if she was happy living here in the Jewish state, the smile on her lips quickly faded. Glumly, she answered us with the following words: "That Ahmadinejad of Iran, he scares me. It is a very scary situation."

And indeed it is, Mr. President, because my people are in danger once again. It was just six decades ago that the Europeans tossed us into Hitler's ovens and turned six million Jews into ashes. Now, with no shame, they stand by silently as Iran seeks to do the same.

The United Nations is a lost cause, and we have no faith in Russia, China or international institutions. The sad fact is that most of the world will not shed a tear if Mr. Ahmadinejad succeeds in achieving his dreadful aims.

Here in Israel, our own leadership is tired and weak. They have lost their way and they are no longer anchored in faith. As we saw this past summer in the Lebanon war, they stumble about as though walking in darkness, oblivious to the danger that stalks us all.

There is only one person now, Mr. President, who can stop this terrifying scenario from coming to pass, and I believe that person is you.

I think of you often, and when I do, I am guided in faith to the fourth chapter of the Book of Esther in the Bible, where the evil Persian court officer Haman threatened the Jewish people with extinction. After Mordechai the Jew got wind of Haman's plot, he passed along a message of great urgency to Queen Esther: "Who knows, perhaps it was precisely for a moment such as this that you have attained power?"

Mr. President, that message was as compelling then as it is today, and I believe it is clearly directed to you, too.

The decision you face is not an easy one, and I do not mean to suggest otherwise. But there are moments when a leader, like Joshua of old, must "be strong and of good courage" (Joshua chap. 1), and not shy away from doing what must be done.

In the case of Iran, there can be no room for retreat or for shrinking back from the task at hand. The stakes are simply too great.

Iran can and must be stopped, and the only way to do so is through the use of military force. Diplomacy and resolutions are a smokescreen, and you know as well as I do that they will not slow Iran's steady drive toward obtaining a nuclear arsenal. Only the long and powerful arm of the United States, flexed with all its might, can and will be able to do the job.

Sure, the critics and the nay-sayers will try to tear you down, just as they have been doing since you the day you were elected. They will heap scorn on you, call you a warmonger and worse, and denigrate you and your family for many, many years to come.

But please don't allow them to deter you or to drive you to despair. Don't let them drown out that still, small voice within, the one that reaches into each of our hearts and calls out every day: "I am the L-rd, and there is none else." (Isaiah chap. 45)

Mr. President, you know as well as I do that history's final verdict is not written by academics, nor is it determined by the opinion-mongers at the New York Times.

The one and only verdict, the one that really, truly counts, is the one that is penned in Heaven, by He Who gave each of us life. It is to Him, and Him alone, that we will all have to answer.

In just over two years, you will leave office. In the greater scheme of things, I am convinced that your legacy will depend largely on the decisions that you make in the coming few months about what to do with Iran.

I urge you, I plead with you: don't walk out of the White House in January 2009 without having stopped Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Don’t leave the fate of Israel and the Jewish people hanging in the balance.

Remember the promise that G-d made to Abraham in Genesis chap. 12: "I will bless those that bless you, and those that curse you I shall curse."

Note that when it comes to standing by Israel and the Jewish people, there is no middle ground. G-d delineates two categories, and two categories only: those who bless Israel and those who curse it.

You are in a unique position to bless Israel, and through it, all of humanity, by removing the nuclear sword from the hand of the Persian executioner. The same G-d who spoke, and said, "Let there be light," and there was light, surely expects you to do nothing less.

I will be praying for you, as will many others, and I hope that you take this message to heart.

Be strong, be strong, Mr. President, and through you, may we all be strengthened.




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C2089-2426886%2C00.html
Israelis put nuclear bunkers in gardens. 29 October 2006

AMID mounting fears that Iran is planning to obliterate their country, wealthy Israelis are shelling out on underground nuclear shelters in the gardens of their luxury homes.

The shelters, which cost at least £60,000 for a bargain-basement version, are built to withstand radioactive fallout, have fortified walls and doors and generate their own electricity and decontaminated air. Defence experts estimate that hundreds of such bunkers, many fitted with all modern conveniences such as bedrooms, kitchens and bathrooms, have already been built in private homes across the country and demand is soaring.

Zaki Rakib, a wealthy businessman, built a shelter for himself and his family under his large villa overlooking the Mediterranean in Herzliya, an exclusive garden suburb north of Tel Aviv.

“The shelter looks like a regular flat,” he said. “It is 2,000 square feet, with a living room, two bedrooms, kitchen, self-powered electricity.”

Rakib’s post-nuclear pad, which can accommodate more than 25 people for two weeks, cost about £250,000. “The difference between an atomic shelter and a regular one is in the technical components: the thickness of the walls and a special system to block radioactive fallout,” he said. .............
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Iran has reason to be afraid ...
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I appeal to you now, not as a political analyst nor as a newspaper columnist, but as one man of faith to another: please strike Iran hard with military force, and dismantle their nuclear weapons program, before it is too late.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of the surrounding nations are opposed to Israel.

Iran is one of them and as she has lots of oil USA would love to control her.

One of the most warmongering nations today is USA.

Personally I trust it about as much as I trust any of the arab nations.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should all go to Iran and live...it seems we would be better off or China? och! i think i'll go for North Korea it must be better than here and the USA anyone game?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No the USA is not the worst, just the most powerful.

I refered to Iran, other surrounding nations etc all of whom are anti Israel.

IMO USA has greater potential for damage than other nations. And after the disasters they have produced are IMO dangerous.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw on Sky news an interview with Benjamin Netinyahu who said regarding Iran...'don't just think there rockets are pointing just to Israel'
I don't believe that the USA has helped by invading Iraq I don't make any argument over this, but would just like to say that 9/11 happened before the Iraq invasion, all of a sudden people have short memories, a man yesterday got 40 years, thank God for our security but some day one will pass through and what then? You see Iran has a man in power that believes he is placed in power for one reason only and that is to bring war to the world so that His Messiah can return, you see it's not just the Christian who is waiting for their Messiah..the Muslim is waiting to only they have to make war before He can come...future looks bright doesn't it Icon_1435
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I was not shooting into USA I would think them less of a danger.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtheb wrote:
As I was not shooting into USA I would think them less of a danger.

Try standing in Iran, Saudi Arabia etc, etc. with a Bible in your hand shouting 'Jesus Saves' BANG Icon_swoon your deed as they would say in Scotland Icon_biggrin
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does this relate to my answer to the question?

"Try standing in Iran, Saudi Arabia etc, etc. with a Bible in your hand shouting 'Jesus Saves' BANG your deed as they would say in Scotland"
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry jtheb i didn't quite understand your answer...could you re-phrase it please
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't get the quote to work.

The reply I quote doesn't seem to relate to my comment.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtheb wrote:
As I was not shooting into USA I would think them less of a danger.

What did you mean by this jtheb?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Look, let's just quit any pretence of neutrality shall we. No further discussion is necessary. It is worthless. Perhaps I should stage some persecution from Israel, get it filmed, send it to Reuters, and get the red cross to come and help me and the world to condemn Israel for another reason. Maybe I'll force another UN resolution against that dreadful nation. I could become a cause celebre.


No need to stage Israeli atrocities. There are more than enough real ones. They would be one more "technical failure."

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Israeli PM Ehud Olmert said the strike, which hit a civilian area, was the result of a "technical failure".

"I'm very uncomfortable with this event. I'm very distressed.

"I checked it and I verified it. This is not the policy," the Associated Press reported Mr Olmert saying.

But military operations against suspected Palestinian militants would continue, he added, admitting that further mistakes "may happen".


Jam 3:13 ¶ Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is] earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM"
PSALM 122:6


Psalm 137: 5-6, "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If I do not remember thee (Jerusalem), let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy".

Luke, chapter 19, verse 41, as He beheld the City (Jerusalem),
"AND HE WEPT OVER IT".
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keepingthefaith wrote:
"PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM"
PSALM 122:6


Psalm 137: 5-6, "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If I do not remember thee (Jerusalem), let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy".

Luke, chapter 19, verse 41, as He beheld the City (Jerusalem),
"AND HE WEPT OVER IT".


Reading on ..... but let us learn from Jesus' sermon on the mount.

Psa 137:7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase [it], rase [it, even] to the foundation thereof.
8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy [shall he be], that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9 Happy [shall he be], that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things [which belong] unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.


Mat 5:43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

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