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ledbythetruth
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 Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: A Cult Member at your door |
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I am just curious in how people feel you should handle a cult member that comes to your door. I have heard people say to have nothing to do with them, slam the door in their face, tell them what you believe and wish them off, and then others say, talk to them, try to help them see their error and present Christ to them.
Interested in what people personally think you should do. Cult members have souls as well, should we be trying to reach them more or allow them to continue enjoying their blindness?
in Christ
Glen H.
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ruth
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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I would talk to them and try and show them the real Christ. Having been in a cultic situation myself I know that it can sometimes be the little thing that someone said that makes the difference. In my case it was lots of little things said which when taken together showed me the error of the church I was in.
People in the cults who come to your door need to see that you have peace, happiness and faith. Peace is something that cult members will not have, even though they think they do.
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ledbythetruth
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Steadfast:
There was indeed a lot of good truth in your post.
| Quote: | | Cult members? How do you recognise a cult member? There is no sign above their head and nothing to give them away as being members. |
One explanation of a cult given by dictionary.com is: "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader"
Another very noticeable characteristic of a cult is that you can trace that group's founder.
The Mormons -- Joseph Smith
Jehovah's Witnesses -- Charles Russell
Christaadelphians -- John Thomas
and the list could go on...
| Quote: | | Most who have when spoken to returned to the Lord Jesus having found error in their teachings from scripture. |
I am very glad that you have seen this trend in people realizing their error and turning to Christ.
| Quote: | | We are called to love each other including enemies. If there is anyone whom you do not love or hold anomosity against. Then the truth is not in you neither is love. |
I couldn't agree with you more on this point. If one does not have love for others and has a genuine dislike towards people and is a constant "railer" I would call into question their love for the one they call their Saviour.
| Quote: | | Whilst one may recognise a false teaching, we are still called to love others. Not judge them |
Indeed we should love all. But I don't know if I'd say judging was pointing out their Biblical error.
Christ dealt quite often with people with false beliefs
Mt. 12:1-8
Mt. 15:1-4
Mt. 22:23-24
the list could be quite long, but we all know Christ definitely loved these people.
As did the Apostles
Paul in Acts 17 found a synagogue and spent three sabbath days reasoning from the scripture. He then went to Mars Hill and reasoned with the philosophers etc and presented Christ.
Peter as well was very minded in presenting truth as he showed in 1 Peter3:
15 but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you;
16 ¶ yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.
Peter asked us to give an answer or a defence, yet like you said all should be done with love.
One I really like is Jude near the last of his book when he speaks of people who are in false teachings and doing false things
Jude: 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.
22 And have mercy on those who doubt;
23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.
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I guess this was a bit longer then I expected, just a very important topic for me. The Gospel of Christ is presented to all and we in return should present it with love, showing the errors of one's way perhaps even in a tiny bit just to show them there's a weakness in their faith and then point them to the one who is forever faithful -- Christ.
Unsnatchingly His
Glen H.
(verses in the esv)
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He who does not bellow the truth
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Charles Peguy (1873-1914)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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victoria plum
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| I just say, "Thank you but I am a Christian" and then they usually go on their way, sometimes leaving literature, but I haven't had any knocking on my door for absolutely ages. |
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ruth
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: |
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The interesting thing with JW's is that if they perceive you as knowing too much they will blacklist you and not call, so that might be the reason Vix that you do not get callers anymore.
I try to remember that the caller needs Christ as much as any unbeliever as they are following a false gospel. But sometimes I am just so busy I do not talk to them.
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jtheb
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | But these people clearly believe that Jesus died for their sins.
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The JWs I talk with have no assurance of salvation. If they have done enough they think they will have ahome here on earth, but they are not sure until it happens.
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ledbythetruth
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed love is extremely important in this world, and I agree steadfast, everything needs to be done in love. Even Christ could claim in John 13 that loving one another would show the reality of Christ.
You mentioned something about the gospel of the Jws, and I hope no one minds but I'm going to start a new thread for the question, just to try and keep everything in order.
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He who does not bellow the truth
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the accomplice of liars and forgers.
Charles Peguy (1873-1914)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Jexstar
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Steadfast says | Quote: | | but the Lord tells me this is not for here |
Did God tell you by way of speaking to you? Or is this a feeling? Perhaps an impression upon your spirit? If God told you "this is not for here", Why did you mention it?
That is how many Cults like the JW got started. Their leaders having what they believed to be, personal conversations with God. |
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jtheb
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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I imagine that she feels that not everything can be put into a reasonable length posting.
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Jexstar
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What does the word tell us? |
OK, I'll go there, Inlighten me. :icon_wub: |
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Jexstar
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Jexstar
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yes :icon_wub: :icon_1244: :icon_1148:   :icon_glad:    |
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victoria plum
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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R U away on holiday, Steady?
There have been times when I have felt certain the Lord was speaking to me, not an actual physical voice but a presence and message so distinct that I was confident it was Him. It has usually been something personal for me, though. I am making it sound as though it has happened often  and it hasn't, but one particular time stays in my mind way back in 1992 when I was reached through a scripture.
The thing is, I cannot expect anyone else to believe the Lord has spoken to me. I have told people of course and they don't think I am lying but they see it as my experience. I suppose it depends what the subject is, I have only had this experience regarding my own situation, no message for the world, and it isn't unreasonable for a believing person to have some certainties. Also, I have had no 'controversial' messages. |
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victoria plum
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Blimey! August 8th! I went away on 26th and could have sworn she was on here up to then, mind you I am not a regular ktf poster.
Oh well....... |
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maria
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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You need to pray and rely on the Lord.
Don't close the door,they need your help.they are trying to save you,you must try to save them.
But you need to be careful,as I know some have ended up joining them when they set out to help them.
Listen politely and keep on one subject as JWs are known for scripture hopping.Ask them what convinces them they have the truth.
then show them Jesus is the truth.
Jeremiah 17.we dont trust men,we trust God. |
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