Charismatic Preachers

keepingthefaith · Guest

There's an awful lot of speakers out there from all types of denominations especially when it covers 'the born again lot' all claim they are right in their doctrine, some have doctrine that ive never heard much of and it's only since ive joined these forums that I even know there out there. Probably if i had came across it when looking for a church i would have taken more notice, one thing I do notice from it all and that is all these phenominans stem from the Charismatic movement why do you think this is so why do you think this teaching is beginning to be abused so much?

-theophilus- · Guest

No checks against false teaching apart from personal interpretations of Scripture. IMHO

keepingthefaith · Guest

-theophilus- wrote: No checks against false teaching apart from personal interpretations of Scripture. IMHO
All churches started with *personal interpretation*...All started presuming to be right.

-theophilus- · Guest

keepingthefaith wrote: -theophilus- wrote: No checks against false teaching apart from personal interpretations of Scripture. IMHO
All churches started with *personal interpretation*...All started presuming to be right.

Not really, as one church started before scripture was fully written.

keepingthefaith · Guest

Yes the New Testament Church one without steeples, in homes where two or three were gathered together 'in His name'

-theophilus- · Guest

Actually in the temple, until they were thrown out, and then in homes until the persecution lessened enough for them to be able to worship in specially sanctified buildings (which is what they wanted all along - hence originally meeting in the temple). Did you see my "Liturgy in the NT" thread in the Bible Studies section btw?

keepingthefaith · Guest

The building didn't need sanctifying Theo it's the body (the believer) when Born again into Gods family who is sanctified and this is on going. I never read from the Bible where it says that a building had to be sanctified.Maybe you could point me to the verse/chapter please :icon_biggrin:

-theophilus- · Guest

The bulidings are sanctified by what goes on in them, hence my thread on the liturgy. However it works both ways, which is why as congregations grow larger special buildings are needed. The fact that the early church met in the synagogue (a 'special' building) until they were thrown out is a matter of historical record. The fact that the church only met in houses while the persecution was heaviest, and that the church met in special buildings as soon as they could, is also a matter of historical record.

I live in a country where persecution means many Christians have to meet in homes to worship, especially those denominations not recognized by the government (Orthodox and Roman Catholic). It is not a matter of choice. If they lived in a country that gives rights for them to worship openly in a specially designated building they would be happy to do so.

keepingthefaith · Guest

I will read your thread on the liturgy but i will need time to look at it properly but I don't see a verse/chapter from the Bible that says you have to have a Brick building sanctified. Yes it is nice to have a building to worship in but that's about all you can say about the building in its self. Your answers seem to come more from History than the written Word itself. As for Worship in the Synigogues that was finished when at the Cross. Christs blood finished all that type of worship the curtain rent in two allowing us to approach God wherever/whenever.

-theophilus- · Guest

Well when I said history, I was in part using NT writings! We must always remember that the Bible has a history, even though the writings themselves transcend all ages. The historical content of the Bible is important because it lends more "reality" to what is written within.

Quote: As for Worship in the Synigogues that was finished when at the Cross.

But early Christians continued to meet in synagogues after the ressurection. As mentioned on the "priests" thread, the tearing of the temple curtain symbolized the removal of a special priestly class that seperates "laity" from the altar. Christians still continued to meet and worship together, however, (i.e. it wasn't just "Bible" meetings) and the worship would've been formalized. To take this thread back on topic, it is this church, and their liturgy, which predates the writing of the NT. Therefore they do not have the problem of having to "interpret" scripture, being the writers of scripture themselves.

keepingthefaith · Guest

keepingthefaith wrote: There's an awful lot of speakers out there from all types of denominations especially when it covers 'the born again lot' all claim they are right in their doctrine, some have doctrine that ive never heard much of and it's only since ive joined these forums that I even know there out there. Probably if i had came across it when looking for a church i would have taken more notice, one thing I do notice from it all and that is all these phenominans stem from the Charismatic movement why do you think this is so why do you think this teaching is beginning to be abused so much?
Theo ( I don't want to hurt you) but my definitions of Priests and alters and worship are so far apart from how you or your church perceive it to be. that's why I don't get into discussing anything with you.
Now back to the topic in question :icon_biggrin:

-theophilus- · Guest

No problem :)

-theophilus- wrote: No checks against false teaching apart from personal interpretations of Scripture. IMHO

Covenanter · Guest

keepingthefaith wrote: keepingthefaith wrote: There's an awful lot of speakers out there from all types of denominations especially when it covers 'the born again lot' all claim they are right in their doctrine, some have doctrine that ive never heard much of and it's only since ive joined these forums that I even know there out there. Probably if i had came across it when looking for a church i would have taken more notice, one thing I do notice from it all and that is all these phenominans stem from the Charismatic movement why do you think this is so why do you think this teaching is beginning to be abused so much?
Theo ( I don't want to hurt you) but my definitions of Priests and alters and worship are so far apart from how you or your church perceive it to be. that's why I don't get into discussing anything with you.
Now back to the topic in question :icon_biggrin:

Many of these speakers are concerned with their own name. XXX ministries. XXX study Bible. They claim miracles (in the name of Jesus, of course) but these are all such that they can be questioned, rather than convincing even those who reject Christ, as happened with apostolic miracles. They do not accept the discipline of the historic creeds & confessions, so their doctrine becomes idiosyncratic. Minor disagreements lead to further splintering.

Elaine · Guest

-theophilus- wrote: No problem :)

-theophilus- wrote: No checks against false teaching apart from personal interpretations of Scripture. IMHO

Sorry Theo, but this implies that you think Anne, and others on this board who happen to disagree with your interpretations of scripture, are not accountable to anyone, no checks on their/our doctrine, and quite possibly given to false teaching :icon_1435:

Am I correct in thinking that within the Orthodox services, not only are the ordinary members of the congregation not allowed to "take" communion, but the whole "act" of receiving the bread and wine is still so shrouded in mystery, that it is even done only by preists and church hierarchy behind screens (or similar) and in secret?

http://ship-of-fools.com/Mystery/mws_05/reports/1077.html

There are other reports that may say differently, but I haven't the time to search them all. I just remember reading this one before.

Covenanter · Guest

Elaine wrote: -theophilus- wrote: No problem :)

-theophilus- wrote: No checks against false teaching apart from personal interpretations of Scripture. IMHO

Sorry Theo, but this implies that you think Anne, and others on this board who happen to disagree with your interpretations of scripture, are not accountable to anyone, no checks on their/our doctrine, and quite possibly given to false teaching :icon_1435:

Am I correct in thinking that within the Orthodox services, not only are the ordinary members of the congregation not allowed to "take" communion, but the whole "act" of receiving the bread and wine is still so shrouded in mystery, that it is even done only by preists and church hierarchy behind screens (or similar) and in secret?

http://ship-of-fools.com/Mystery/mws_05/reports/1077.html

There are other reports that may say differently, but I haven't the time to search them all. I just remember reading this one before.

I looked in vain for the "mystery worshipper's" report on his visit to Peniel. Any offers, you Brentwood lot?